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Why are Jews so smart?

One answer may lie in genetics and particularly a form of positive eugenics that some researchers believe has been taking place in European Jewish communities for several hundred years.

Amir tries to explain the phenomenal progress of Jews.

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21 comments

1 fathima { 08.19.07 at 3:52 pm }

I’m sorry, but your linking to that factually challenged, basically racist piece makes me question the legitimacy of this site, one that I’ve been following casually for a while now.
To understand my reservations, let me flip the title of that post to its more familiar counterpart. What would your reaction be to someone who wrote a post entitled “Why are Muslims so hateful?” Or “Why are Arabs so unintelligent?” And then proceeded to write an articulate post filled with seemingly common-sensical statistics, that are actually pulled (and without shame) off an incredibly iffy site? (I mean, seriously. You need to check the site he’s linked to. It makes me choke a little.)
Seemingly positive stereotypes are as problematic as the more obviously troublesome negative ones. It is a fine line between analysing so-called genetic and communal intelligence and providing support for conspiracy theories that preach world take-overs. A fine line, by the way, that the writer of this article does not navigate very well, despite his polite and noncommittal langauge.
And I’m not even addressing the factual inaccuracies in that post or the assumptions on which it is based. I’m more concerned with the ingrained cultural biases.

2 manas { 08.19.07 at 11:57 pm }

Fathima,

You must consider that we do not endorse the articles we link to. If we find something interesting, we post it. we may or may not agree with it fully.

I have not read this piece, but `smart’ does not sound to me like ‘unitelligent’ or ‘hateful’.

3 gess { 08.20.07 at 12:55 am }

I have to agree with Fathima.
This article was in a way “kissing ass” (sorry, can’t find another way to express).

4 manas { 08.20.07 at 1:26 am }

Well Fathima I read the article now, and I found no racist element in it, no more than in`Arabia is a desert’.

It is a fact that Jewish people are very well represented in high offices. I am afaid I differ from you in that regard.

In India, there are always surveys to find out how are different ethnic groups doing to find out what can be done to those who lag behind. I see no racism in that either.

Racism is defined as
<blockquote>a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one’s own race is superior and has the right to rule others.</blockquote>
There is no such element in that article.

About the site: you are of course free to have your own views about the site, but let it be known that we try to link to different sites. Some of them will feel iffy to the writers of the site you call iffy. (By the way, I would like to know why exactly you think the site is iffy).

5 gess { 08.20.07 at 4:23 am }

Manas,

How do you define “race”?

Your quote says, “various human races “. Where is the evidence that exists more than one human race?

6 gess { 08.20.07 at 5:53 am }

For not long time ago, the Jews were held having learning disability in the beginning of 20th C.E. (Read Troy Duster), because they did very poorly in tests.

Now there is a study in the UK shows that Black Africans are the most highly educated group in british society. Why don’t we hear that in the media?

When examine these studies, there are many things to take consideration. Ex. these Black Africans, what the study does not tell us is, these Black Africans are many of them from African unversities and come to Europe to study to specialize.

The environment plays a major important role (health care, background, housing,etc)

Unfortunately, most African Americans and Latinos lack these facilities as they are presented at bottom of food chain.

To say sons of Adam have different race is against Islam, since Allah tells us that we all come from Adam (pbuh), and it is against common sense. So far, no gene is found to code certain race.

7 Ahmad { 08.20.07 at 10:02 am }

Fathima,
It’s a fact that is being scientifically proven. There is nothing ‘ you being superior or you being inferior’ kind of a thing.

8 Manas Shaikh { 08.20.07 at 11:59 am }

gess

“To say that sons of Adam has different races is against Islam.”

Not so fast, sister. Do not commit the same mistake as the arrogant Musftis make. Do not jump into conclusions. When you claim that something is against Islam, you have to be very careful.

Qur’an itself calls Jews as Jews. Allah, in the Qur’an, is angry with those Jews who broke the Covenant with Him.

Is Allah against Islam?

9 gess { 08.20.07 at 1:00 pm }

No,

I am not talking about Ar-Rahman and Ar-Rahim.

Didn’t Allah Said that all mankind are the offspring of Adam?

O mankind! Have Taqwa of your Lord, Who created you from a single person, and from him He created his wife.) 4:1

10 manas { 08.20.07 at 1:13 pm }

Who is denying that?

11 gess { 08.20.07 at 1:17 pm }

Then why are you talking about “various human races “?

12 manas { 08.20.07 at 1:20 pm }

Have you read this Hadith?- No Arab is better than a non-Arab or a no non-Arab is better than an Arab except by his takwa. (No quotes because it’s not verbatim).

Is race being referred to or not?

Do not confuse this with racism. Racism involves hatred of certain races.

The fact that we all came from one single pair does not make races vanish. It only reminds us that before Him, all are equal. Equal, but not the same.

I think we are falling into idle talk. I will stop here.

Please pardon me.

13 gess { 08.20.07 at 1:23 pm }

Brother,

What are you talking about? I don’t see idle talk. Why are you doing this?
Is talking about Hadith and Qur’an idle talk?

14 iMuslim { 08.20.07 at 1:43 pm }

Feeling scared to enter this convo (i haven’t read the entry in question), but i believe what Manas meant by ‘idle talk’ was that he didn’t want to go round in circles, so he stopped his point there.
It seems the disagreement lies in the different understanding of the word ‘race’. Dr Dictionary says:

—Synonyms 1. tribe, clan, family, stock, line, breed. Race, people, nation are terms for a large body of persons who may be thought of as a unit because of common characteristics. In the traditional biological and anthropological systems of classification race refers to a group of persons who share such genetically transmitted traits as skin color, hair texture, and eye shape or color: the white race; the yellow race. In reference to classifying the human species, race is now under dispute among modern biologists and anthropologists. Some feel that the term has no biological validity; others use it to specify only a partially isolated reproductive population whose members share a considerable degree of genetic similarity. In certain broader or less technical senses race is sometimes used interchangeably with people. People refers to a body of persons united usually by common interests, ideals, or culture but sometimes also by a common history, language, or ethnic character: We are one people; the peoples of the world; the Swedish people. Nation refers to a body of persons living under an organized government or rule, occupying a defined area, and acting as a unit in matters of peace and war: the English nation.

So, genetically speaking, there is dispute as to whether there is such thing as ‘race’, however, practically speaking, some class ‘race’ in geographical terms and use it interchangeably with nation/peoples, such as Arab, European, African, etc; it is thus less to do with Biology, and more to do with cultural affiliation.

So, in that sense, Manas is not saying anything bad when he uses the term ‘race’, although gess’ reservations with that word are also valid, as she assumed the biological definition.

It just shows how careful we need to be with our word choice. :)

15 iMuslim { 08.20.07 at 1:48 pm }

Sorry gess, that keeps happening when i am not logged in as me! It’s really annoying! I think it is cos i once transferred one of your comments, so had to ‘post’ as you, and now the computer won’t forget! I have made the mistake so many times! >:(

16 gess { 08.20.07 at 1:52 pm }

You read my mind, iMuslim.

Race as social structure >> YES
Race as biology >> NO

17 manas { 08.20.07 at 10:38 pm }

iMuslim

Thanks for the bit. I thought of exactly that- going around in circular argument.

gess

You did not do right by assuming that I think of races are different ’species’. You see- I do not.

18 david { 11.08.07 at 1:58 am }

It seams blatantly obvious that blacks have the highest iq levels in the world.One only needs to look at africa and the fantastic inventions that have been developed there. e.g all cars are made in africa , the mobile phone , first people on the moon.Most whites are even fed by africans – almost every American and Brit relies entirely on african aid and ingenuity.

19 colin { 11.08.07 at 2:04 am }

Tend to agrie wiff davitt – sims obvis too mee. eet has been showed that the jewish peegs is got the lowestest iq in the planit. They is so dim that the joowish entirely dominates all matters intellectual – go figga

20 Rafay Kashmiri { 01.13.08 at 9:00 am }

Racial ulcers,

The word ” Smart ” is exaggerated out of
sheer impression of ‘ power corruption ” of
certain group or race among humans according to circumstances of survival, and very much
exploited by the Nazi for their Aryan superior race theory, perhaps responding to the theory
existing in Israel of ” chosen people of God “. Both the theories are mere fraud and evil. What would anyone say about the theory of
Brahmans, “living Gods on Earth”.

Antibiotics are the best available remedy for
them.

21 DAN WILLS { 12.05.08 at 9:52 pm }

THE JEWS ARE BOOK SMART.THEY NEVER MADE OR INVENTED ANYTHING
FOR THE WORLD LIKE THE ENGLISH,THAT WROTE THE BOOKS THEY LEARNED FROM.

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