Comments on: The Art of Integration – Muslims Case in Denmark http://www.ijtema.net/2007/11/27/the-art-of-integration-%e2%80%93-muslims-case-in-denmark/ A Congregation of Muslim Bloggers Fri, 03 Feb 2012 20:56:09 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Whatever http://www.ijtema.net/2007/11/27/the-art-of-integration-%e2%80%93-muslims-case-in-denmark/comment-page-1/#comment-5038 Whatever Fri, 18 Apr 2008 21:21:54 +0000 http://www.ijtema.net/2007/11/27/the-art-of-integration-%e2%80%93-muslims-case-in-denmark/#comment-5038 So your two case examples got it wrong and we are supposed to throw up our hands, say 'forget about it' and head back to our fortress madrassahs and mosques? Check out what's been happening in the London Mayoral election at the moment. Its the non-muslim candidates who are bending over backwards to show their muslim credentials! The right wing (Conservative) candidate has just discovered his Turkish, Qur'aan memorising great grandfather and has spent the last 3 weeks telling the many thousands of Muslim voters in the capital who proud he is of this ancestory! Why? Because @ 20% of the residents of London are Muslim. So, if you want the politicians to bend over backwards towards you (and not the other way round) increase your birthrate and concentrate yourselves in key constituencies. You'll be amazed at how many non-muslim candidates suddenly start revealing they had muslim blood in their veins all along! Assimilation like you've never seen it before! When a true blue Tory boy educated at Eton (top UK private school) suddently starts shoouting from the roof tops that he's proud of his Muslim ancestory then you know there has been a seismic shift in the tectonic plates of electioneering in London. See: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7354227.stm So your two case examples got it wrong and we are supposed to throw up our hands, say ‘forget about it’ and head back to our fortress madrassahs and mosques?

Check out what’s been happening in the London Mayoral election at the moment. Its the non-muslim candidates who are bending over backwards to show their muslim credentials! The right wing (Conservative) candidate has just discovered his Turkish, Qur’aan memorising great grandfather and has spent the last 3 weeks telling the many thousands of Muslim voters in the capital who proud he is of this ancestory! Why? Because @ 20% of the residents of London are Muslim.

So, if you want the politicians to bend over backwards towards you (and not the other way round) increase your birthrate and concentrate yourselves in key constituencies. You’ll be amazed at how many non-muslim candidates suddenly start revealing they had muslim blood in their veins all along! Assimilation like you’ve never seen it before! When a true blue Tory boy educated at Eton (top UK private school) suddently starts shoouting from the roof tops that he’s proud of his Muslim ancestory then you know there has been a seismic shift in the tectonic plates of electioneering in London. See: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7354227.stm

]]> By: brother http://www.ijtema.net/2007/11/27/the-art-of-integration-%e2%80%93-muslims-case-in-denmark/comment-page-1/#comment-2409 brother Mon, 07 Jan 2008 08:32:17 +0000 http://www.ijtema.net/2007/11/27/the-art-of-integration-%e2%80%93-muslims-case-in-denmark/#comment-2409 Hi, Salam Alaikum (peace be upon u) all.Islam blog is right in his/her comments.Also we need law abiding citizens. If the laws are against islam or make life difficult for muslims, we can convince the authorities how it benefits all to follow Islamic law because it is from God of all-Allah Almighty. In america, when some converted (new muslim) women were removed from their jobs for wearing Hijab (the dress code of Islam for women), they fight back in the court and the court ordered that if the laws were not formulated as early as 200 years back (when there were almost no muslims or to say no muslims in america practising this???)it is time now to include (write) their rights in the law book or constitution. Obviously it takes time and patient campaigning. You can't depend on our traditional Moulavis (or traditional madrasa trained scholars who live in a world not knowing what is happening today) but you have to take their opinion too and consult with modern muslim scholars (who think for Islam and try not to satisfy the people of Jahiliyya who do not follow Qur'an and Sunnah). Let us proceed peacefully with these issues, campaign for the rights of Islam and all will get their rights irrespective of their religion and beliefs (example: read surah kafiroon). There will be no oppression, because you are afraid if you become an oppressor, you are going to meet the fate of Phiraoun (pharaoh of Egypt) as an example. You can't outwit Allah.That is for sure.Read Surah hadid or iron and see how Allah gave you stronger things for your benefits. Then do not complain or have second thoughts about the Shariah laws. It is not discriminatory. It is what is the Wish of Allah almighty who knows better regarding what He created (men and women, their psycology, pathology,history,chemistry,physics,physiology,bloodgroup, every science, what ever you call man...!!!). The socialist or communist ideology is concerned with issues related to one class at the expense of others but still not even the class they say they represent could flourish and prosper (that is why china changed and russia changed to free market killer economy which is another jahiliyyah system harming all people and what Allah has cursed can not give prosperity,peace and salvation in truth. You may have enough money. but on the day of judgement, the man will be shown Hell and heaven and his abode (that is hell for a disbeliver of Allah and islam)even though He was rich in the world, he did not give for Allah's sake nor believe Him and he will beg Allah to send back to earth once more..but Allah will reject this offer. Then he will say, I will give all my wealth, as huge as earth or even twice that, but Allah says your chance is gone, you had only one chance, I gave you wisdom and right thinking capacity and my book and my messengers (prophets) came to you, but you did not benefit from this nor your wealth which I gave you. Now Allah will command the Angels to throw him into Hell and exactly that will be done. So this is a lesson for all of us that what kind of state we are going to build, what kind of promises or social programs we are going to have for the welfare of the citizens of our country if we are an organisation, political party,leaders and the governments..Hope all will formulate the future programs for the people as per Allah's wish so that Allah will guide us aright and we will be secure in this world and in the hereafter from Hell fire. Note: from the above argument it is very clear that we muslims are not here or Islam does not command us to do injustice to anyone, instead we are here to do good, prevent bad (as per Allah's guidance or Islam) and help all people to live securely and peacefully. aamin-amen Thank you Ma Salam. Hi, Salam Alaikum (peace be upon u) all.Islam blog is right in his/her comments.Also we need law abiding citizens. If the laws are against islam or make life difficult for muslims, we can convince the authorities how it benefits all to follow Islamic law because it is from God of all-Allah Almighty. In america, when some converted (new muslim) women were removed from their jobs for wearing Hijab (the dress code of Islam for women), they fight back in the court and the court ordered that if the laws were not formulated as early as 200 years back (when there were almost no muslims or to say no muslims in america practising this???)it is time now to include (write) their rights in the law book or constitution.
Obviously it takes time and patient campaigning. You can’t depend on our traditional Moulavis (or traditional madrasa trained scholars who live in a world not knowing what is happening today) but you have to take their opinion too and consult with modern muslim scholars (who think for Islam and try not to satisfy the people of Jahiliyya who do not follow Qur’an and Sunnah). Let us proceed peacefully with these issues, campaign for the rights of Islam and all will get their rights irrespective of their religion and beliefs (example: read surah kafiroon). There will be no oppression, because you are afraid if you become an oppressor, you are going to meet the fate of Phiraoun (pharaoh of Egypt) as an example. You can’t outwit Allah.That is for sure.Read Surah hadid or iron and see how Allah gave you stronger things for your benefits. Then do not complain or have second thoughts about the Shariah laws. It is not discriminatory. It is what is the Wish of Allah almighty who knows better regarding what He created (men and women, their psycology, pathology,history,chemistry,physics,physiology,bloodgroup, every science, what ever you call man…!!!).
The socialist or communist ideology is concerned with issues related to one class at the expense of others but still not even the class they say they represent could flourish and prosper (that is why china changed and russia changed to free market killer economy which is another jahiliyyah system harming all people and what Allah has cursed can not give prosperity,peace and salvation in truth. You may have enough money. but on the day of judgement, the man will be shown Hell and heaven and his abode (that is hell for a disbeliver of Allah and islam)even though He was rich in the world, he did not give for Allah’s sake nor believe Him and he will beg Allah to send back to earth once more..but Allah will reject this offer. Then he will say, I will give all my wealth, as huge as earth or even twice that, but Allah says your chance is gone, you had only one chance, I gave you wisdom and right thinking capacity and my book and my messengers (prophets) came to you, but you did not benefit from this nor your wealth which I gave you. Now Allah will command the Angels to throw him into Hell and exactly that will be done. So this is a lesson for all of us that what kind of state we are going to build, what kind of promises or social programs we are going to have for the welfare of the citizens of our country if we are an organisation, political party,leaders and the governments..Hope all will formulate the future programs for the people as per Allah’s wish so that Allah will guide us aright and we will be secure in this world and in the hereafter from Hell fire.
Note: from the above argument it is very clear that we muslims are not here or Islam does not command us to do injustice to anyone, instead we are here to do good, prevent bad (as per Allah’s guidance or Islam) and help all people to live securely and peacefully.
aamin-amen
Thank you Ma Salam.

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]]> By: iMuslim http://www.ijtema.net/2007/11/27/the-art-of-integration-%e2%80%93-muslims-case-in-denmark/comment-page-1/#comment-1891 iMuslim Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:30:50 +0000 http://www.ijtema.net/2007/11/27/the-art-of-integration-%e2%80%93-muslims-case-in-denmark/#comment-1891 Masha'Allah, great entry gess... From what you have written, I do feel that the lack of success of these two individuals may be rooted in the fact that they both "sold out" in their own way, in order to gain public support. It is very easy to "spin" the voting masses into believing whatever you wish for them to believe, but i think that only applies to politicians who "look the part" - meaning members of the indigenous population, who the people will trust more. Immigrants, even naturalised ones, will always have to work harder to gain the same level of trust. If they lose grip of any firm principles of morality, or go down the route of extremism (even extremism against extremists), they will be revealed for the one-trick ponies that they really are, and will eventually lose public support, no matter how popular they were to begin with. Masha’Allah, great entry gess… From what you have written, I do feel that the lack of success of these two individuals may be rooted in the fact that they both “sold out” in their own way, in order to gain public support.

It is very easy to “spin” the voting masses into believing whatever you wish for them to believe, but i think that only applies to politicians who “look the part” – meaning members of the indigenous population, who the people will trust more. Immigrants, even naturalised ones, will always have to work harder to gain the same level of trust. If they lose grip of any firm principles of morality, or go down the route of extremism (even extremism against extremists), they will be revealed for the one-trick ponies that they really are, and will eventually lose public support, no matter how popular they were to begin with.

]]> By: Islam Blog http://www.ijtema.net/2007/11/27/the-art-of-integration-%e2%80%93-muslims-case-in-denmark/comment-page-1/#comment-1890 Islam Blog Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:17:24 +0000 http://www.ijtema.net/2007/11/27/the-art-of-integration-%e2%80%93-muslims-case-in-denmark/#comment-1890 Very interesting. Two divergent paths leading to the same result. I don't think absolute assimilation is possible simply because Islam has its own culture that at many points is simply at odds with non-Muslim culture. The best that Muslims can and should do is be law abiding citizens. If you choose to stay in a non-Muslim country, then don't violate their laws. Being contemptuous of a country you're living in and not leaving is plain idiocy. Very interesting. Two divergent paths leading to the same result.

I don’t think absolute assimilation is possible simply because Islam has its own culture that at many points is simply at odds with non-Muslim culture.

The best that Muslims can and should do is be law abiding citizens. If you choose to stay in a non-Muslim country, then don’t violate their laws. Being contemptuous of a country you’re living in and not leaving is plain idiocy.

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