Indonesia May Ban Ahmadiyya Muslim Sect
Islamosphere is abuzz with discussion about a possible ban on Ahmadiyyas and related
Robert Salaam quotes Mike Ghouse-
The real issue is not about who is a Muslim, but it is about the role of a majority in a diverse society. [...] The real question that we need to address is should we let a majority determine what one believes, wears or eats? Can the Majority in the United States do that? Can the majority in Indonesia do that? Should that work in India?
On a different note, indscribe twines Ahmadiyyas and Sunnis, Iraq and Pakistan-
Country, region, religion, sect, followers of different spiritual leaders, they are all baying for each other’s blood. Is it not Iraqi blood? It is in this context that I have quoted the couplets here.
The family of Obaidullah Aleem, a poet born in India, had migrated to Pakistan long back. It was the sectarian clashes in Pakistan that may have prompted him to write these lines.Ironically, Aleem belonged to the Ahmadiyya sect, that believes in Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani as prophet, though their split branch, Lahoris, believe him as a mujaddid or reviver, but both sects were declared un-Islamic in Pakistan.
I admit that I was biased against the sect. But the kind of persecution they have braved, is also unparalleled.
[Image of an Ahmadiyya Mosque: Satyadasa]
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Very interesting. Wonder how that would pan our in India or Pakistan. Probably not so well…
India already has a large population of Ahmadiyyas. But their interaction with more mainstream Muslims is minimal. So chances of friction are also less.
Pakistan is a different case. I believe they have a law that classifies Ahmadiyyas as non-Muslims.
As-Salaamu ‘alaikum,
Indonesia is right to ban this deceitful sect from calling itself Islam and from operating in their country which is mostly a bastion of Sunni Islam. It is not Muslims who made them non-Muslims by a declaration of their kufr; it is their kufr which made them kafirs, because it is a basic tenet of Islam that Muhammad, sall’ Allahu ‘alaihi wa sallam, is the last Prophet – any minimally educated Muslim knows this. We know how the salaf dealt with false prophets and if the Qadianis had not had the protection of the British Empire they would have had the same treatment as Musaylima and his evil followers. Many people are easily led and it is right not to allow them to deceive people, as they are apt to do (as I have personally witnessed on many occasions in south London where they have three of their “mosques” or temples as we call them). Down with Qadianism!
As-Salaamu ‘alaikum,
Sorry, that last post was from me (3:48 am, 26th April).
Wa’Alaikum as Salaam
I agree with you about their religion- that they are wrong in claiming that our beloved Prophet Muhammad (Sallahu Alayahi wa Sallam) was not the last Prophet.
However, the banning thing is a slippery slope. Tomorrow Arabs might declare Shi’a heretical. Iran will declare Sunnis as the same!
From the perspective of the Christians we are heretics. Christians are heretics from Jew’s perspective.
This knows no end.
The solution to falsehood is Truth. Not a ban, insha’Allah.
It is the rest of the so called Muslim world that are non Muslims. Any Muslim who rejects the Masih & Madhi of the time is a non Muslim. It is unfortunate, but in this Muslim world you have Muslims killing Muslims i.e. Iraq, Somalia, Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan. The Promised Messiah is here, accept him and be saved. The ONLY TRUE ISLAM IS AHMADIYYAT. Everything and everybody else outside the fold of Ahmadiyyat will be lost. To be Ahmadi is to be a true Muslim. People who do not understand that are the ones who will fry in Hell. Again Ahamdis are the only true Muslims. May the whole world be Ahmadi and a better place to live. The whole world will be Ahmadi it is only a matter of time. Inshallah. Ahmadiyyat Zindabad!!!!!!
Dear Fareed
I respectfully disagree with you.
For the record brothers and sisters,
“Fareed Ahmed” and the poster “As Salaam..” both posted the same exact messages on my blog. They are obviously deceitful listeners of the whispers of Iblis, who are trying to stir the pot. It may be the same person, notice how they directly contradict one another?
we now live in global village ,any incident,outbreak and even a minor accident is immediately world over in seconds. adress of a president or sermon by a scholor is on the air. the communication advancement thus suggests that the holy message of ALLAH,THE GOD ALMIGHTY,through prophet MUHAMMAD [PBOH]could be conavayed world over immediately as such he is the last of the prophet and there was no need of any prophet there after
Islam preaches PEACE & NOT buring the mosques in fire. Insha Allah very soon the world will come to realize that Promissed Messiah is HE WHOSE ADVENT WAS PROMISSISED BY THE HOLY PROPHET MUHAMMAD (PBUH) & THERE WILL BE NO WAY OUT BUT TO ACCEPT HAZRAT MIRZA GULAM AHMAD (AS) OF QUADIAN AS THE TRUE MASIH AND MAHDI OF ALLAH. Blessed is he who follows the guidance of Allah & His messangers, not the provocation of so called Mullahs, who have been foretol as the most inferior creartute on earth by the Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). It may be the last chance for the Mullahs to offer Towba and accept allegiance in the hand of HAZRAT MIRZA MASROOR AHMAD (atba), the present Caliph and SUPREME HEAD of the worldwide Ahmdiyya Community. Allah, who is AZIZ and RAHIM, is quick in taking account!!
Islam Ahmadiyya is the revival of the true teachings of Islam and it is time that the Muslims world wake up and accept the Promised Messiah (as).
No man made laws, protests, riots or persecution can retard the growth of the true followers of Islam. We will continue to pray for our enemies, the ones who persecute us and call us kaffir.
May Allah guide those who sincerely are in search of the truth and may Allah open the hearts of those whose hearts have been darkened by false propaganda and misinformation.
Islam Ahmadiyya Zindabad…
Dear All,
Assalmoalaikum wa rehmatu(A)llahe wabarakatohoo,
In this day and age, when the Western powers are making an all-out assault on the blessed person of the Holy prophet (salAllaho alaihe wasallam) and hundreds of thousands of books have been published, against the teachings of the Holy Quran, the need of the time for the Muslim Ummah is to become united and confront the enormous challenges that face the Muslim world. Unfortunately, throughout history, the Muslims have proved again and again, thet the MUSLIMS ARE THEIR OWN WORST ENEMIES! Whether this is the old Shia-Sunni split, the Palestinians fighting amongst themselves, the various ethnic divides within Muslim countries ( like in Pakistan the Bengalis and West Pakistanis, the Sindhis and Punjabis and of late the Muhajisr of Paksitan and the non- Muhajirs).
When will we Muslims see sense and start thinking and acting in accordance with the teachings of the Holy prophet (salAllaho alaihe wasallam). The Muslim Ummah is one great body and within it are several smaller components. We are all Muslims if we say La ilaha IllAllaho Muhammdun RasoolAllah. This creed, One God, One Prophet, One Qibla and One Book, these are the things that bind us together. The differences between the sects are minor and insignificant.
The need of the time is for Muslims all over the world to unite and become one strong and unassailable eddifice against the designs of the powers which want to dissipate the power and unity of the Muslims so that they can plant the flag of atheism and mainly Christianity in the heart of the Muslims lands.
I am an Ahmadi Muslim. But first and foremost I am a Muslim. I believe:
-In the Finality of the Holy Prophet (salAllaho alaihe wasallam.
-The Holy Prophet (salAllaho alaihe wasallam is the Khaatamun Nabiyyin or the Seal of Prophets.
- The Holy Prophet (salAllaho alaihe wasallam) foretold the advent of the Imam Mahdi (alaihesalam). In this day and age, Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian claimed that he is the Imam Mahdi and Promised Messiah, and gave proof and evidence of his truth. I and other Ahmadis throughout the world have believed in him.
- Other Muslims who are not Ahmadis, are still waiting for the Imam Mahdi and Messiah to come. Let them wait!
Allah Subhana wa Ta’ala, states clearly in the Holy Quran:
Ta’avanoo alalbirre wattaqwa, wala ta’avanoo alalisme wal udvaan.
Co-operate with each other in good things and in righteousness and do not co-operate in matters of sin and transgression.
May Allah guide us on the right path.
wassalam
Navidul Haq Khan
Email: drnhkhan@hotmail.com
navidul.khan@bhrhospitals.nhs.uk
Assalamualaikum.
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There is no God but ALLAH, the greatest one, the merciful.
Muhammad PBUH is ALLAH’s LAST MESSENGER and the only LAST PROPHET. Who ever claim there is another prophet after Muhammad PBUH,…..then he/she is totally NOT MUSLIM!!! and they should take a pray, do taubah nasooha .
“There is no God but ALLAH, the greatest one, the merciful.
Muhammad PBUH is ALLAH’s LAST MESSENGER and the only LAST PROPHET. Who ever claim there is another prophet after Muhammad PBUH,…..then he/she is totally NOT MUSLIM!!! ”
dari indonesia: Read here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seal_of_the_prophets that people like Imam Raghib, Muhiyyudin Ibn Arabi, Deobandi founder Maulana Qasim Nanutwi and others believe a prophet can still come and Prophet Muhammad was NOT the last prophet. Why do you then not call them not Muslim, instead they are considered scholars of Islam?
Here is in detail an Urdu video to explain how Qasim Nanutwi denies concept of khatm-e-nabuwat (finality of prophet); http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sw6Qyqjh04
This last prophet thing will backfire heavily as Ahmadis are neither the only ones nor the first ones to claim that a prophet can come after Prophet Muhammad. However, curiously the other claimants are NOT considered not Muslims. Sounds like politics to me.
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“There is no God but ALLAH, the greatest one, the merciful.
Muhammad PBUH is ALLAH’s LAST MESSENGER and the only LAST PROPHET. Who ever claim there is another prophet after Muhammad PBUH,…..then he/she is totally NOT MUSLIM!!! ”
dari indonesia: Read here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seal_of_the_prophets that people like Imam Raghib, Muhiyyudin Ibn Arabi, Deobandi founder Maulana Qasim Nanutwi and others believe a prophet can still come and Prophet Muhammad was NOT the last prophet. Why do you then not call them not Muslim, instead they are considered scholars of Islam?
Here is in detail an Urdu video to explain how Qasim Nanutwi denies concept of khatm-e-nabuwat (finality of prophet); http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sw6Qyqjh04
This last prophet thing will backfire heavily as Ahmadis are neither the only ones nor the first ones to claim that a prophet can come after Prophet Muhammad. However, curiously the other claimants are NOT considered not Muslims. Sounds like politics to me.
yh das true, whoever says there is a prophet after Muhammed is totally wrong!! even thou im non muslim still i can still see shirk!!
As far as i know, there are only 5 pillar/tenet of islam, kalima, Salat, Fasting, Zakat, Hajj. So whom ever said that the belief in Prophet Mohammad being the last prophet is a basic tenet really needs to think again about the basics of Islam.
Mr. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad rejected the fundamental Muslim doctrine of the second coming of Hazrat Isa ibne Maryam. Instead, he claimed that Hazrat Isa had died his natural death and even claimed to have located his grave in Khanyar Street, Srinagar, Kashmir. Mirza Sahib wrote a book “Jesus in India” where he gave a detailed account of what he claimed to have actually happened at the cross. According to him Jesus was put to the cross by the Jews on Friday; Jesus fainted and Jews thought that he had died. He was buried; but three days later, he regained consciousness and came out of the grave. He was 33 years old at that time. He met his disciples and secretly migrated to India, where he died at the age of 120 years. Let us have a look at the following extracts from this book:
“Hence, I shall prove in this book that Jesus (Peace be upon him) did not die on the cross neither did he go up to the heavens nor it should ever be hoped that he will return to the earth from the heavens; rather, he died at the age of 120 years in Srinagar in Kashmir, and his grave is in the Khanyar Region of Srinagar.”
(Maseeh Hindustan Mein, (Jesus in India) Roohani Khazain, vol.15, p.14)
“Authentic narrations of hadith prove that our holy Prophet (pbuh) said in the person of Jesus two such qualities were combined which were not present in any other prophet. Firstly, he lived his full life, i.e. he was alive for 125 years. Secondly, he toured most of the parts of the worldnow it is obvious if he had ascended to heavens at the age of only 33 years, then the tradition of 125 years would not have been correct, neither he could have toured at such a young age of 33. These traditions are not only mentioned in the authentic and ancient books of hadith, but they are so popular among all the sects of Muslims that none can be imagined more famous.”
(Maseeh Hindustan Mein {Jesus in India}, Roohani Khazain, vol. 15, pp. 55-56)
Christian Era (AD) begins with the birth of Hazrat Isa ibne Maryam (Jesus) in 1 AD. Hazrat Isa, according to Mirza Sahib, died at the age of 120 years, meaning 120 AD. Now, let us examine the following extract from “Anjam-e-Atham”, written by Mirza Sahib:
“The Holy Quran clearly says that the Masih was lifted to the heavens after his death. Therefore his descent is symbolic and not real. And in the verse Falamma Tawaffeteni it has been clearly manifested that death of Hazrat Isa (pbuh) has already taken place. Because the meaning of the verse is that the Christians will go astray after the death of Hazrat Isa (pbuh) and not during his lifetime. So if we assume that Hazrat Isa (pbuh) is not yet dead, then we will have to agree that the Christians are not yet digressed, and this is absolutely false. Rather the verse is saying that the Christians remained faithful only until the life-time of Hazrat Isa (pbuh). From this it becomes known that corruption had already begun during the time of Disciples. If the period of the Disciples had been such that the Christians had still been on right path, then in this verse Allah would not have linked it with the life-time of Hazrat Isa (pbuh) only, but would have included the life time of the disciples as well. Thus at this juncture a very good point of the period of corruption in Christianity is illustrated and which is that IN TRUTH, during the time of the Disciples themselves, the seeds of SHIRK (associating partner with God) were sown in Christianity.
(Anjam-e-Atham, Roohani Khazain, vol. 11, p.321)
The important points from the above extracts are:
Mirza Sahib claims to give proof from hadith that Hazrat Isa died at the age of 125.
He asserts that Christians were on right path only during the life time of Hazrat Isa.
He states that Hazrat Isa was not made God or son of God during his life time.
Seeds of SHIRK (Trinity) were sown after the death of Hazrat Isa. During the life time of Hazrat Isa, there was no possibility of such a digression. Mirza Ghulam Ahmed is quoting the verse “Falamma Tawaffeteni” (5:117) from Quran, implying that Allah is guaranteeing protection from such corruption (Shirk i.e. Trinity) during the life of Hazrat Isa only.
Since Mirza Sahib has stated in his book “Jesus in India” that Hazrat Isa died in 120 AD, the seeds of association of Partners with Allah (i.e. Trinity) could not have been planted before 120 AD. This means that Hazrat Isa was made God and son of God only after the year 120 A.D. Before 120 A.D., not even one single individual could have held the belief that Hazrat Isa is God or son of God.
Thus, the year of 120 A.D. became a turning point.
(Chasma-e-Maseehi, Roohani Khazain, vol. 20, p.375)
“And in the very first instance, he (Paul) implanted the bad seedling of Trinity in Damascus. And this Pauline Trinity started from Damascus. It is towards this that hadith Shareef has hinted that the future Maseeh will descend on the eastern side of Damascus.”
(Chasma-e-Maseehi, Roohani Khazain, vol. 20, p.377)
In this book, Chasma-e-Maseehi, Mirza Sahib has clearly stated that St. Paul was responsible for the doctrine of Holy Trinity and thus turning Hazrat Isa into God. It is a well known fact that St. Paul died in 64 AD or 67 AD. The book The 100 gives the year of his death as 64 AD. Encyclopaedia of Religion and Ethics says:
“That he suffered martyrdom at Rome there can be no doubtthe date will lie between A.D. 64 and 67, most probably nearer the former than the later limit.”
(Encyclopaedia, vol. 9, p.694)
Final Arguments
In the book “Jesus in India”, according to Mirza Sahib, Hazrat Isa died in 120 AD.
In the book “Anjam-e-Atham”, Mirza Sahib has clearly stated that the seeds of Trinity were not sown until 120 A.D.
In the book “Anjam-e-Atham”, Mirza Sahib has clearly said that St. Paul made Hazrat Isa God.
Paul died in 64 or 65 A.D. where as Hazrat Isa died in 120 A.D. Therefore Paul died at least 55 years before Hazrat Isa. (Jesus)
Since Paul must have given the doctrine of Trinity during his life time, this means the Hazrat Isa was made God at least 55 years before his own death. In other words, by 65 A.D. Hazrat Isa was made God/Son of God while he died 55 years later in 120 A.D.
While he (Jesus) was alive in Kashmir, he was being worshipped as God in Palestine.
Thus Mirza Sahibs commentary on the Holy Qurans verse 5:117 (Falamma Tawaffetenni) in his book “Anjam-e-Atham”, that Christians made Hazrat Isa God after the death of Hazrat Isa in 120 A.D., becomes absolutely wrong.
Is this a small mistake for a man claiming to have been divinely ordained to be Messiah, Mahdi and a Prophet? Such a grievous error? So obviously and utterly wrong! So conclusively wrong!
On Page 135 of his book “Anjam Atham”, Mirza Ghulam Ahmed says:
“If Jesus is alive in the heavens, then the Christians must be on the right path (on earth)”.
Will the Qadianis / Ahmadis reflect?
(Please see point no. 6 above.)
If Mirza Sahib were alive and this question had been put to him, could he have said: “I am a human being and I can make mistakes”? Mirza Sahib had claimed help of Allah in these arguments. Can Allah be wrong? No! Only the claim of Mirza Sahib is wrong. If he can be wrong in one thing, what proof is there that he is not wrong in other things? The reason for Mirza Saheb’s entire exercise of trying to prove that Hazrat Isa (pbuh) had died was to establish his own claim of being the Promised Messiah and Mahdi. His argument was that, since Hazrat Isa has died, he will not return, as that would be against the principles of Allah. Thus, someone else will have to take up the role of Hazrat Isa and that someone is none other than Mirza Sahib himself! However, the above arguments have proven conclusively that Mirza Ghulam could not substantiate his claim of being Imam Mahdi and the Promised Messiah. Therefore, he is neither Imam Mahdi nor the Promised messiah. As a corollary, he is not a Prophet, because a true Prophet will not make a false claim. Q.E.D., Q.E.D., Q.E.D., Q.E.D., Q.E.D.
Another Interesting Point
He secretely migrated to India, lived there for 87 more years, and died at the age of 120 in Srinagar, Kashmir. He kept no contact with the people of Palestine for these 87 years. People in Palestine did not know that Hazrat Isa was alive in Kashmir and Hazrat Isa did not know that the people in Palestine had begun to worship him as God and son of God. Therefore, (according to Qadiani claims) in the original land (Palestine) where he was sent as Messenger and where he was made God and son of God, he kept careful watch only till the age of 33 and for the remaining 87 years of his life he kept no watch over them at all! What a glaring mistake (in tafseer)!
Remember: All this is Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadianis assertions and we have only his words for them. Will the Qadianis, his followers, kindly clarify the above points or rectify their belief?
May Allah help them to understand what is right and what is wrong and give them the courage to follow the right path. Ameen.
All praise to Allah. His Love and Peace be upon His Noble Prophet, Hazrat Muhammad and upon His family and Companions.
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Sir Syed vs Mirza Saheb
The Qadiyanis are very proud of saying that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Sahib was the first man after so many years who said that Jesus (Hazrat Isa) (pbuh) did not go to the heavens ,but died on earth in Kashmir. Mr. Nasim Ahmad, who wrote “An Ahmadi Answers”, said that Mirza Sahib first came to know from Allah about Hazrat Isas natural death on earth in the year 1891.
Mr. Nasim Ahmad should know that Sir Syed had made a similar claim 9 years before, in the year 1882, in his Tafsir of Quran Majid.
Sir Syed wrote his Tafsir of Quran Majid in 6 volumes as follows (see page 335 of the book “Sir Syed Ahmad Khan” by Fazal Karim):
Part 1 in year 1880
Part 2 in year 1882
Part 3 in year 1885
Part 4 in year 1886
Part 5 in year 1892
Part 6 in year 1895
In part no.2, year 1882, in Sura Maida, verse no. 117, Sir Syed layed claim to the death of Hazrat Isa (pbuh).
9 years later in 1891, Mirza Saheb copied Sir Syed. Is it in good taste that Qadiayanis are boasting today about Mirza Sahib’s plagiarism?
In the name of Allah, The Most Compassionate, The Most Merciful, The One and Only.
His Love and Peace be upon Syedna Muhammad, after whom there is no Prophet, and upon his family and Companions.
Insha Allah, Masha Allah
CAN AHMADIS/QADIANIS ANSWER?
More Contradictions
I wish Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Sahib were Alive!
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian claimed to be Imam Mahdi and Promised Messiah, Two in One. It is an accepted Muslim doctrine that Hazrat Isa (Jesus) (pbuh) will descend from heavens and will help Imam Mahdi in the propagation of Islam and fill the world with justice. When people asked Mirza Ghulam about Jesus, the son of Mary, Mirza Sahib replied that Jesus will not descend from heavens because he never went to heavens; rather he went to Kashmir, where he died at the age of 120! In support of his claim, Mirza Sahib wrote a book called Messiah in India (Maseeh in Hindustan).
Quran says celibacy not prescribed in Christianity, but Mirza Sahib says the opposite.
Mirza Sahib says:
“And just as Injeel has preached celibacy, similarly in Buddhas teachings it is desired; and just as an earthquake came on putting the Jesus to the cross, similarly it is written that an earthquake came on the death of Buddha. Thus the main reason for all such similarities is that out of good fortune for the Buddhists, Maseeh came to Hindustan and stayed for a long time amongst Buddhists and they received detailed knowledge on his life and his preachings. Consequently it was inevitable that a great part of that teaching and ceremonials should have found its way into Buddhists records for Jesus was respected and taken for the Buddha by the Buddhists These people therefore recorded his sayings in their books and ascribed them to the Buddha.”
(Maseeh Hindustan Mein, Roohani Khazain, vol.15, P.78)
On the other hand, the Holy Quran says (57:27) that monasticism was invented by Christians. Monasticism includes all ways of detaching oneself from mankind, specially state of celibacy:
“Then We caused Our messengers to follow in their footsteps; and We caused Jesus, son of Mary, to follow, and gave him the Gospel, and placed compassion and mercy in the hearts of those who followed him. But monasticism they invented – We ordained it not for them – only seeking Allahs pleasure, and they observed it not with right observance. So, We give those of them who believed their reward, but many of them are evil-livers.” (al-Quran 57:27)
But contrary to this verse, Mirza Sahib says that Hazrat Isa (pbuh) preached the doctrine of Chastity and Celibacy. Who is to be believed? The Holy Quran or the word of Mirza Ghulam?
Hazrat Isa pbuh – Prophet for Bani Israel or Prophet for Buddhists?
Bagwa Matteyya, whose other name was Maseeh came to this land, because the failure of a prophecy makes that religion bogus.”
(Maseeh in Hindustan, Roohani Khazain, vol 15, p.84)
“Every Buddhist must necessarily profess the belief that five hundred years after the Buddha, the Bagwa (white) Metteyya did appear in their land.”
(Maseeh in Hindustan, Roohani Khazain, vol. 15, p.92)
“There can be no doubt that he came in the colours of Buddha and the Book of Oldenburg with reference to Buddhas Book, Lkavati Sutta, it is written that the followers of Buddha used to console themselves with the hope of future that they will achieve the fruits of salvation by becoming the follower of Metteyya. i.e. they had confidence that Metteyya will appear among them and they will attain salvation through him, because the words in which Buddha had given them the hope of Metteyya they were clearly proving that his followers will meet Metteyya. Now with this statement of this book, confidence is generated in the heart that God had created means of their guidance from both sidesand no one can doubt that those moral teachings and spiritual ways which were established by Buddha, the teachings of Hazrat Maseeh have regenerated them in this world.”
(Maseeh in India, Roohani Khazain vol. 15 pp. 81-82)
How could Hazrat Isa (pbuh) go to preach among non-Bani Israel on the basis of divine revelation of Buddha? Is this not against our and your faith which states that Hazrat Isa (PBUH) was sent to Bani Israel only? To further clarify that Hazrat Isa (pbuh) went to all Buddhists whether they were Israelites or not, Mirza Sahib quotes Buddha as saying that Hazrat Isa (pbuh) will come from outside to the land of Prophecy, Magadh, in which the people were dark. And Buddha himself was dark. And since all the Buddhists are included in this prophecy, common sense says that non-Israelites are also included, since all Buddhists were not Israelites.
Another Hypocrisy of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad
(Maseeh in Hindustan, Roohani Khazain, vol. 15, p.81)
Gospel of Barnabas and Mirza Ghulam Ahmads Ignorance
Mirza Sahib says:
“After all that has been stated, it should be kept in mind that the Gospel of Barnabas, which must be available in the British Museum, it is stated that Jesus was not crucified nor did he die on the Cross. Now we can very well say though this book is not included in the Gospels and has been rejected summarily, yet there is no doubt that it is an ancient book and it belongs to the period in which the other Gospels were written. Is it not open to us to regard this ancient book as a book of history of ancient times and make use of it as a book of history?”
(Masseh in Hindustan, Roohani Khazain, vol. 15, p.21)
Perhaps Mirza Sahib did not read the Gospel of Barnabas himself, for in the Bible of Barnabas, it is clearly mentioned that Hazrat Muhammad (SAAW) will be the last Prophet, and only false Prophets will come after him. Please see the following extract from the Bible of Barnabas:
“Isa (pbuh) said in that Messengers coming who will wipe out all false ideas about me. His religion will spread all over the earth. Sardar Kahin asked: After the coming of the Messenger of God will more Prophets come? Isa(pbuh) said: After him not true Prophet will come. But many false Prophets will come.”
(Gospel of Barnabas, Urdu Edition, p. 143)
“Then the disciples asked: O Master, who is that man who you mention will come to earth? With great happiness Isa (pbuh) replied: He is Muhammad (SAAW), Messenger of Allah. When he will come, just as rain brings out fruits from earth when there has been no rain for a long time, in the same way with the unlimited Mercy and Blessings with which he will come, he will be the cause of many good and virtuous deeds.”
(Gospel of Barnabas, p.228, Urdu Version)
Mirza Sahib admits that the gospel of Barnabas is an ancient historical document, written at the same time as other Gospels. He presents one of its statements to support his claim. But what he didnt know was that it not only mentions the coming of Hazrat Muhammad (SAAW), but also the finality of his Prophethood or did he? If he had, what right did Mirza Ghulam have to claim that he is a Prophet? Why did he take one statement as a proof and ignored the other one. Perhaps he had never read the Gospel!
Is Adam (pbuh) still alive? Did Mirza Sahib die at the age of 30?
“There is another important statement by the Holy Prophet. During his last illness, the Holy Prophet said to his daughter Fatima: Once a year Gabriel used to recite the Quran to me. This year he recited twice. He also told me that every succeeding Prophet has lived up to half the age of his predecessor. He told me that Jesus, son of Mary, lived to 120 years. Therefore, I think, I may live to about 60 years.”
(Invitation to Ahmadiyyat (Daawat-ul-Ameer), p.17)
Based on this formula, some of the future prophets (if at all there are some, and there should be at least three of them if you accept the Qadiani interpretation of the verse of Khatme-Nabuwwat) will have following ages:
Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani ??? 30 years old
Next assumed prophet 15 years old
Next assumed prophet 7 and half years oldand so on.
So according to the extract on page 17 taken from “Invitation to Ahamadiyyat”, Hazrat Adam (pbuh) should have lived up to 122880 years. Which means that he is still alive. In fact, even Hazrat Sheesh, Noah, Abrahim and Ismail (pbut) should all be alive now. Furthermore, if Mirza Sahib is a prophet, he should have died at the age of 30 only, that is half the age of the previous Prophet. Did Mirza Sahib become Prophet after his death? Still more interesting, if Prophets will continue to come, then just a few Prophets down the line we would be having one who is a newborn!! This statement of the Holy Prophet (SAAW), if at all authentic, clearly means that there will no Prophet after Hazrat Muhammad (SAW), because the next Prophet will have to die at the age of 30 and the next at 15 which means he will not even be an adult.
it is democratic right.
well all the muslims agree Ahmediya,s are not muslim sect.
Actually Ahmdiya tries to change many things in islam that are in Quran this is why they are banned.
its difficult to comment on such sensitive matters for me.
Allah Ta’ala says in the Qur’an that it is not for human beings to judge other human beings for Allah alone is the Judge. In fact He even mentions that those who do good deeds will be rewarded with heaven irrespective of their faith.
Considering such teachings from Allah Ta’ala Himself and based on the example of our Prophet Muhammad Mustafa (SAW), if I believe in the five pillars of Islam and also believe in the Mahdi of the age, I consider myself to be treading in the path of the religion established by Muhammad Mustapha (SAW).
Having said that people like Fareed Ahmad / Yusuf Smith are indeed seeking to seed poison in the society by venting their own views and not the teachings of Islam. If Islam is to be understood one has to completely submit to it like a newborn rather than assuming that one ‘knows’ what is correct.
well, if anyone ignores the truth that Muhammad (be peace uopn him) is not the last prophet, there are other prophets after him, then how can they remain muslim! This Qadianis are claiming they have own prophet, bahais are claiming they have own prophet, ismailias are claiming they have something bigger than prophet, then what is the value of khatme nabuat!
well, how can a same person can become mahadi & isha both? it is clear that Isha massiah was not died, he will be returned, but golam ahmed kadiani was not returned, he was born. & imama mahadi will born somewhere near to Iraq, the name of his father & mother will be same as the name of the father & mother of our last prophet. but gholam ahmed was born in punjab & his father’s & mother’s name were not same as Muhammad’s father’s & mother’s name.
& most important thing – both imam mahadi & Isha massih are related to Qayamat. where r the qayamat guys? gholam ahmed had been died many years ago,,, . & why didn’t he kill Dajjal? Massiah will kill the Dajjal. but did gholam ahmed do that? no.
so to be a muslim, u have to accept the truth that Muhammad (be peace upon him) is the last prophet. u can’t believe the prophecy of gholam ahmed or bahauddin or any karim aga khan …
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